a recent report from the boston consulting group says, quote, trying to hire high-skilled workers at rock bottom rates is not a skills gap. the report estimates that the skills gap actually affects between 80,000 and 100,000 workers, less than 1% of the total manufacturing workforce. the co-author of that report is also a senior and managing partner of the boston consulting group and also author of the book of "the manufacturing renaissance." thanks for stopping by to talk to us about this. i hear this a lot from executives. we've had people on this program who had people on this program who have said they just can't find the workers. you say they're not looking hard enough. they're not looking hard enough, they're not paying enough, and they're not investing in training enough. is that the answer? >> exactly. what we're seeing is companies who are not paying enough, they're looking at highly skilled jobs, they're trying to pay $12 or $15 an hour to. that's not a skills gap. they're trying to explore, you know, using lower end work force because they want to pay less money. that's no